NinPlayBox

This is copied from the guys myspace.... what do you all think and be very careful with what you say lol. There are some intresting facts about this guy but look at what he asks.

you are an educated Christian, I would like to talk with you today about an important and interesting question. Have you ever thought about using your college education to think about your faith? Your life and your career demand that you behave and act rationally. Let’s apply your critical thinking skills as we discuss 10 simple questions about your religion.

Here is an example of the kind of thing I am talking about: As a Christian, you believe in the power of prayer. According to a recent poll, 3 out of 4 doctors believe that God is performing medical miracles on earth right now. Most Christians believe that God is curing cancers, healing diseases, reversing the effects of poisons and so on.

So here is question 1: Why won’t God heal amputees?

It’s a simple question, isn’t it? We all know that amputated legs do not spontaneously regenerate in response to prayer. Amputees get no miracles from God.

If you are an intelligent person, you have to admit that it’s an interesting question On the one hand, you believe that God answers prayers and performs miracles. On the other hand, you know that God completely ignores amputees when they pray for miracles.

How do you deal with this discrepancy? As an intelligent person, you have to deal with it, because it makes no sense. In order to handle it, notice that you have to create some kind of rationalization. You have to invent an excuse on God’s behalf to explain this strange fact of life. You might say, "well, God must have some kind of special plan for amputees." So you invent your excuse, whatever it is, and then you stop thinking about it because it is uncomfortable.

Here is another example. As a Christian, you believe that God cares about you and answers your prayers.

So the second question is: Why are there so many starving people in our world?

Look out at our world and notice that millions of children are dying of starvation. It really is horrific. Why would God be worried about you getting a raise, while at the same time ignoring the prayers of these desperate, innocent little children? It really doesn’t make any sense, does it? Why would a loving god do this?

To explain it, you have to come up with some sort of very strange excuse for God. Like, "God wants these children to suffer and die for some divine, mysterious reason." Then you push it out of your mind because it absolutely does not fit with your view of a loving, caring God.

Third question: Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible? Look up these verses:

- Exodus 35:2 – God demands that we kill everyone who works on the Sabbath day.

- Deuteronomy 21:18-21 – God demands that we kill disobedient teenagers.

- Leviticus 20:13 – God demands the death of homosexuals.

- Deuteronomy 22:13-21 – God demands that we kill girls who are not virgins when they marry.

And so on… There are lots of verses like these.

It doesn’t make any sense, does it? Why would a loving God want us to murder our fellow human beings over such trivial matters? Just because you work on the wrong day of the week, you must die? That makes no sense, does it? In fact, if you think about it, you realize that it is insane. So you create some kind of rationalization to explain these verses.

Question 4: Why does the Bible contain so much anti-scientific nonsense? You have a college degree, so you know what I’m talking about. You know how science works. You happily use the products of science every day: your car, your cell phone, your microwave oven, your TV, your computer. These are all products of the scientific process. You know that science is incredibly important to our economy and to our lives.

But there is a problem. As an educated person you know that the Bible contains all sorts of information that is total nonsense from a scientific perspective.

- God did not create the world in 6 days 6,000 years ago like the Bible says.

- There was never a worldwide flood that covered Mt. Everest like the Bible says.

- Jonah did not live inside a fish’s stomach for three days like the Bible says.

- God did not create Adam from a handful of dust like the Bible says.

These stories are all nonsense. Why would an all-knowing God write nonsense? It makes no sense, does it? So you create some type of very strange excuse to try to explain why the Bible contains total nonsense.

Question 5: Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery in the Bible? Look up these Bible verses:

- Exodus 21:20-21 – God says that it is OK to own slaves, and it is also OK to beat them.

- Colossians 3:22-24 – Slaves need to obey their masters.

- Ephesians 6:5 – Slaves need to obey their masters just as they would obey Christ.

- 1 Peter 2:18 – Slaves need to obey their masters, even if their masters are harsh .

And so on…

And why do all intelligent people abhor slavery and make it completely illegal? You have to come up with some kind of weird rationalization to explain it.

Question 6: Why do bad things happen to good people? That makes no sense. You have created an exotic excuse on God’s behalf to rationalize it.

Question 7: Why didn’t any of Jesus’ miracles in the Bible leave behind any evidence? It’s very strange, isn’t it? You have created an excuse to rationalize it.

Question 8: How do we explain the fact that Jesus has never appeared to you? Jesus is all-powerful and timeless, but if you pray for Jesus to appear, nothing happens. You have to create a weird rationalization to deal with this discrepancy.

Question 9 – Why would Jesus want you to eat his body and drink his blood? It sounds totally grotesque, doesn’t it? Why would al all-powerful God want you to do something that, in any other context, sounds like a disgusting, cannibalistic, satanic ritual?

And finally, Question 10 – Why do Christians get divorced at the same rate as non-Christians? Christians get married in front of God and their Christian friends, all of whom are praying to God for the marriage to succeed. And then they say, "What God has put together, let no man put asunder." God is all-powerful, so if God has put two people together that should seal the deal, right? Yet Christians get divorced at the same rate as everyone else. To explain this, you have to create some convoluted rationalization.

So, we have looked at 10 fascinating questions. In order to believe in God, you have had to create all sorts of strange rationalizations and excuses. If you are an intelligent, college-educated person, all of these excuses and rationalizations probably make you uncomfortable. If you think about it honestly, using the critical thinking skills that you learned in college, you have to admit that your answers to these questions make no sense at all.

Now, let me show you something remarkable. What if you instead assume that God is imaginary? A funny thing happens: the answers to every one of these questions make complete sense. Just look at all ten questions as an intelligent person:

1) Why won’t God heal amputees? Because God is imaginary, and he doesn’t answer any prayers. Every "answered prayer" is actually a coincidence. All scientific evidence supports this conclusion.

2) Why are there so many starving people in our world? Because God is imaginary, and he is therefore unable to answer their prayers.

3) Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible? Because God is imaginary, and the Bible was written by ridiculous, ruthless men rather than any sort of loving being.

4) Why does the Bible contain so much anti-scientific nonsense? Ditto. Primitive men wrote the bible, not an all-knowing being.

5) Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery? Ditto.

6) Why do bad things happen to good people? Because God is imaginary and bad things happen at the same statistical rates to everyone.

7) Why didn’t any of Jesus’ miracles in the Bible leave behind any evidence? Because God is imaginary, and Jesus’ miracles are myths.

8) How do we explain the fact that Jesus has never appeared to you? Because God is imaginary.

9) Why would Jesus want you to eat his body and drink his blood? Because God is imaginary, and this bizarre ritual came from a pagan religion.

10) Why do Christians get divorced at the same rate as non-Christians? Because God is imaginary.

Do you see what has happened here? When we assume that God exists, the answers to these ten questions make absolutely no sense. But if we assume that God is imaginary, our world makes complete sense.

It’s interesting, isn’t it? Actually, it’s more than interesting – it is incredibly important.

Our world only makes sense when we understand that God is imaginary.

This is how intelligent, rational people know that God is imaginary.

When you use your brain, and when you think logically about your religious faith, you can reach only one possible conclusion: the "god" that you have heard about since you were an infant is completely imaginary. You have to willfully discard rationality, and accept hundreds of bizarre rationalizations to believe in your "god."

Now, let me ask you one last question: Why should you care? What difference does it make if people want to believe in a "god", even if he is imaginary?

It matters because people who believe in imaginary beings are delusional.

It matters because people who talk to imaginary beings are delusional.

It matters because people who believe in imaginary superstitions like prayer are delusional.

It’s that simple, and that obvious. Your religious beliefs hurt you personally and hurt us as a species because they are delusional. The belief in any "god" is complete nonsense.

You are a smart person. It is time for you to use your intelligence to free yourself from these delusions. It is time for you to begin thinking like a rational human being, rather than clinging to imaginary friends and childhood fantasies.

__________so what do you all think.???

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Chrales Darwin- “ to suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.

Lupus

I think he's right.

Was this meant to defend your stance at all?

The Dudemeister

I agree completely with that guy.

but I say who cares? Let them be.

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edjoms

nice

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Tim

There are actually only two intresting questions in the whole post.
Well actually they are just the one really which is why is their random suffering?

There are a ton theodicies which look at this question and some answer it better than others but it's still an interesting one.

Some of this stuff is just idiotic though:
It's really hard to bother reading someone who thinks that these are interesting questions.

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The Dudemeister

^^lol


It bugs me that the guy says "you have come up with weird rationalizations" yet gives no exaples. He's just talking out of his ass, like most who attack religion.

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"Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool, or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For as a wounded man shall say to his assailant: 'If I live, I will kill you; If I die, you are forgiven.' Such is the rule of honor.

Alexandros

^Well hopefully a few more years and a college education will make you a bit wiser, kiddo.

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Blasted sun. wtf

Scarface

My Bullshit-Radar went ballistic when I got to this bit:

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NinPlayBox

I thought you guys would find that intresting. and no it wasn't to defend my stance in anyway.... I was reading it and wondered how you would all respond to some as such. what makes me most upset about him is he doesn't have a single orginal thing to say... he pretty much takes from other peoples blogs or papers and makes himself look dumb for having no refrence. But over all mostly pointless questions ,,,,

The suffering is easily answered.... we as humans choose to sin...(adam and eve etc) and thus we reap what we choose. agree or not.

The doctor poll I looked for it.. yeah I couldn't find it. However I did find a stat saying that most mathatitians, and stat guys believe in Jesus Christ as a total stat anamoly as he met the requirements of so many prohesies written in the bibel, even if you don't believe in him being god. intresting...

BTW been gone a while how is everyone.

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Chrales Darwin- “ to suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.

Alexandros

We as humans also define what we consider to be sins.

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Blasted sun. wtf

NinPlayBox

thats an intresting concept... I don't agree but... intresting... so human can define a sin as something good and thus make it not a sin anymore??

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Chrales Darwin- “ to suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.

Lupus

Case in point, the cutting of the hair. Used to be an offence punishable by stoning or castration or something unpleasant, if memory serves.

NinPlayBox

aaawww a common misconception from not understanding the bible when read. Actually the cutting of your hair, (besides being very inconvienent as there weren't many barbars lol) was fine and never a sin by god standards. However, the jews did have rules on it... i.e. not christian, and if you were like Jesus and choose to take the NAzarene ( i think that is the name it could be differnt I don't have any notes here at work) oaths then you didn't cut your hair ever. Jesus took the oath and never cut his hair... there were other parts too like celebacy i think and a few other things.... no where in the bible is it a sin to cut your hair.

The concept of defining sin differntly is people changeing it. If we can just decide what sin is, then I say murder is not a sin, and I am free to kill, luckily thats not the case.

Also punishments like stoning andcastration were done away with by god in the new testament when jesus came.... the eye for and eye and such were all replaced by a kinder way of thinking for the sacrifice of jesus was the end of that sort of thing, aloong with the end of sacrificeing animals to god etc..

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Chrales Darwin- “ to suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.

Lupus

I'm fairly certain I've heard someone argue the opposite on this very website.

SAPPHIRERUBY

That was a lot of reading material you kicked down there.................... ...

People will believe what they will. Ultimately, no one changed another's mind by innundating them and/or burying them with literature. It bores and fails to educate, thus, it is defeatest.

NinPlayBox

true true.... really my only opint in putting this up was to garner a conversation.. i thought it was absurd to go through all that work just to say i hate god and you should too... there are the opposite too though,, they write 100 pages to say i love god and you better too.. i don't see either camp gaining members from long winded huge writings detailing faults of others... just a fun read.. everyweek he posts some huge long posing... they are mostly rubbish..

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Chrales Darwin- “ to suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.