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maybe I should have just said to be an athiest you would have to have all the knowledge in the universe, making you godly in the like. lol. sorry. but that being said you can follow how there are really no athiests if you can admit you don't have full knowledge of the universe you must admit there is a possibility of a god being out there and you can't say absolutely there is no god.

Being agnostice just simply means you choose to believe there is no god. If you want to be athiest you would have to have more blind faith than a christian in my opinion. You blindly follow that the other knowledge in the universe just doesn't contain a god. Thats huge faith. in mu humble opinion.

who doesn't believe Jesus of nazarath lived and died he is a well documented historical figure. outside the bible. the question is only if he waas god that an athiest can fight. If anyone says they believe he never lived then they really aren't worth talking to because thats like saying yo don't believe in Abe lincoln. Just cause there is noone alive to say they met him.

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Chrales Darwin- “ to suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.

Wrong, wrong wrong wrooooong! Have some more Wiki.

"Agnostics claim either that it is not possible to have absolute or certain knowledge of the existence or nonexistence of God or gods; or, alternatively, that while individual certainty may be possible, they personally have no knowledge. Agnosticism in both cases involves some form of scepticism. "

Agnostics don't know or they just don't care.

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forget wiki wiki is explanation of terms when people don't always like definitions. the definition of

atheist- a·the·ist /ˈeɪθiɪst/
–noun a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings

They say there is no god. period plain and simple.

now use wiki and ENCYLAPEDIA a book or set of books containing articles on various topics, usually in alphabetical arrangement, covering all branches of knowledge or, less commonly, all aspects of one subject not defining a single word.

describe the term understand its definition

Agnostic-ag·nos·tic /ægˈnɒstɪk/
–noun 1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

don't know don't care kinda person.

Now because athiest can't conform to the definition they have made up a new set to better describe themselves. They have "weak" and "strong" athiesim.

weak-common, understanding of atheism among atheists is quite simply "not believing in any gods." No claims or denials are made — an atheist is just a person who does not happen to be a theist. Sometimes this broader understanding is called "weak" or "implicit" atheism

strong-With this type, the atheist explicitly denies the existence of any gods — making a strong claim which will deserve support at some point.

Now I am not claiming christianity doesnt have a million terms to describe one thing, just that athiest don't really exist unless they want to place themselves in the subsets made up to help them exist. Most will claim weak athiesim, and well thats enough said for me.

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Chrales Darwin- “ to suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.

I'm not talking about atheism though, am I? I'm calling into relief your previously-buggered take on agnosticism.

it's not simply a case of believing there is no God, which you make sound similar to not believing there's a fridge in the kitchen.
It's more a case of remaining neutral until one side becomes the clear winner.

I'm actually Agnostic, you know.

Oh I know you are...If I led you to believe I thought agnostic was not believeing, then I appologize, however I am very aware and have alwyas been that agnostics sit on the fence. they are as the bible would call, "lukewarm" but yes I never saw you ever say you were Athiest, just figured you were agnostic. Your too smart to be athiest.

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Chrales Darwin- “ to suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.

Apathy is not something associated with agnostics.
I am notn just picking on your post Tim, but it was the shortest and most succinct (as opposed to the wordier posters).

Several of my relatives, at one point, were Unitarians. They believed in the existence of a higher being, per say, they just did not acknowledge that it was God as it is set forth in the Bible.

I not saying that all agnostics are apathetic but someone who is apathetic to the subject is an agnostic. I'm not saying bad things about agnostics, my Dad and one of my brothers are agnostics, but to a certain extent it's not dwelling on those abstract ideas or that side of life.

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I can go with that they just don't really care about that philosophical side of things and rather abstain from the discussion. I can see that.

I dont thin I ever hear agnostics trying to disprove athiest or christian beliefs, they just sit back and take ti all in.

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Chrales Darwin- “ to suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.

^That is not true. The Unitarians have a "Church" of sorts and are very acrive in their little community. They certainlhy do not sit back and take it all in.

There is a large difference between being agnostic and being apatheic.

Agnosticism
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Agnosticism (from the Greek a, meaning "without", and gnosticism or gnosis, meaning "knowledge") is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims—particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of God, gods, deities, or even ultimate reality—is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently unknowable due to the nature of subjective experience.

Agnostics claim either that it is not possible to have absolute or certain knowledge of the existence or nonexistence of God or gods; or, alternatively, that while individual certainty may be possible, they personally have no knowledge. Agnosticism in both cases involves some form of skepticism. Some agnostics are termed agnostic theists since, while they do not claim to know any deity exists, they do believe (with varying degrees on skepticism) in, at least, one.

Demographic research services normally list agnostics in the same category as atheists and non-religious people,[1] although this can be misleading depending on the number of agnostic theists who identify themselves first as agnostics and second as followers of a particular religion.

Naturally but it's what they said about us believing that he lived and died and rose from the dead that's the crux of the matter. Whether there was or wasn't a Jesus is irrelevant.

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Blasted sun. wtf

But if we know there was, how can we believe there was? Has nobody watched the film Constantine? This whole issue is brought up rather well.

Thats sorta the point to absolute truth.... just cause some people choose to "believe" he didn't live matters not since we KNOW he did. As said earlier the "crux" of the matter is did he rise after his death. If your too simple to accept the fact then you can't even be invovled in the discussion because yuou r opinion is moot, you'd be argueing a whole differnt point. What we must determine is did he rise from the dead, as no one ever has of their OWN accord. Proving he rose would be a huge step in proving his Diety. finding his body would be a huge blow to believieng he rose from the dead and transended to heaven. There are many ways to prove (however circumstansialy) that he did rise. There are many proof s that he did perform the miracle he is said to have, all outside the bible. But there are many arguments against also. it will always be a debate...

What exactly is a Unitarian?

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Chrales Darwin- “ to suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.

Well with the apparent flimsiness of carbon dating, how do we know?

im tired but bare with me, how is carbon dating got anything to with jesus living and dieing being a fact? we couldn't carbon date jesus there are no bones...

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Chrales Darwin- “ to suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.

Not so much Jesus himself, but... ah, **** it, don't care now.