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God also said, "The Lord will judge his people." King James Bible ... Deuteronomy 32:35 'Vengeance is Mine, and retribution, In due time their foot will

Matthew 18:21-22 "Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? for gosyeth vengence is mine. meaning we shall not judge what others have done wrong, lest e be judged for our wrong doings, only god can judge, thus only god can claim vengence.

rOMANS 12:19

Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord.

So I can find a few places where it is mentioned but always in response to a person asking how long they should saty and not seek vengence for a wrong doing.

He staes he will take judge EVERY sin and it is not for us to do just him. All sin is hated by god, a lie or a mass murder it matters not and all sin is enough to keep us from him.

Saph- wasn't trying to push your patience lol, i just didn't feel like searching through my bible.

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Chrales Darwin- “ to suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.

Glad that I prompted a read of the "Good Book" there Nin..Never a bad idea.

I think the point that the Bible is making..and I am spitballing here, is that God does not want people to take things into their own hands..such as retribution, payback, eye for an eye... All will be revealed in the end...on the FINAL JUDGEMTN DAY. Essentialyl, I believe that he is saying that vengence is his call.....not ours.

If we were not meant to take veangance on our own, why would this lord of yours give us the ability? Why would he put it in our heads to think in such ways?

Also, why would the unwise lord of yours put a tree of knowledge in the garden of eden, then tell Adam and Eve not to eat from it? And why is it human nature to want something you are told not to have? If this god character is really as smart and powerful as you say, why are we all running rampant, and he not keeping ocntrol over us all? Isn't he powerful? Can't he just whip us into shape? If god were really this all powerful being, why would he make us, tell us what not to do, and then leave?

It doesn't make any sense. At all. Anyway you look at it, the whole idea of God being this all powerful being is obviously untrue. All who beleive he was the one who created us and made us how we are is full of shit and following the wrong ideology. All this "all poweful God" talk completey contradicts with the way Man kind is. The church is lying, and it is obvious.

Don't believe me? Ask a pastor, priest, minister, what have you. Ask him/her what god made us for. The most common answer will most likely be, to serve him. Then why aren't we all as a whole serving him? Why did he make it our nature to oppose the idea of him? Watch him sweat when he notices that the big loophole of christianity's big God idea falls open.

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"Servants of the fallen
Fight to pave the way
For their savior's calling
On this wicked day.

Through a veil of madness
With a vicious blade
One man rises up
Standing in their way

It's time for your reckoning"

Dream Theater - "In The Presence Of Enemies - Part II"

Yes^^^

Then Chut-

He made us to worship him, like he made the angels to serve him, thats what the bible says, and he gave the choice to do it, one he didn't give the angels. He wants us to choose him, as any really good leader will. Forced obidience never really works in the end, the loyal soldier is worth 10 slave soldiers. No matter the training. He gave Adam and Eve the tree because he knew they would fall, thus setting motin all the events that would eventually lead to the demsie of satan...in gen it is foretold of christ, and the return of christ, saying the snake will bite the heal, but then be crushed by the heel. not a quote but I can get it hang on...KJV And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel....

He doesn't want auto worshippers he wants believers, as does satan... only satan doesn't care if he is worshipped as long as god isn't. Its no loop hole and any solid Pastor wouln't pale at the question. Any christian that does need the testing, and will find the knowledge, or seek help in answering the question.

hE IS ALL POWERFUL, BUT REFUSES TO FORCE ANYTHING, he will eventually show all there mistakes, and those tht choose to follow him, will be rewarded as those that didn't will be eternally punished.

thats my take on it, and an answer to your question... no loop hole, just a choice.

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Chrales Darwin- “ to suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.

Because of the Original Sin in the Garden of Eden..............The beginning of the end of what could have been Utopia.

Hey, I do not have to believe anyone. I do not rely on the clergy to explain things to me......Hypoctrical lot, most are.

Alex, when you keep referring to "The Church"..What one are you referring to? There are so many denominations with so many different interpreations and beliegf structures. Perhaps clarity as to which sect you keep referring to might help me understand where it is you are coming from.

Yeah, because that worked out really well with Lucifer, eh?

and when lucy didnt do as he was told he was swat down... so well yeah.... im looking at two beings... both claiming to be godly... one is more powerfull than the other.. that more powerful one actually created the weaker one.. i think I am going to side with the perfect one.. not the loser...just my choice and all..also the weaker one was unable to even tempt christ, the man, into doing anything wrong... sp how owerful is lucy if he cant even convince a man who starvers to eat....the truth protects us.

Alex.. I also ask the same question she did clarify your "the church" you sound like you are tlaking catholic.. and I am very against the wrongness of Catholic beliefs. I am a BIBLE believeing christian. I claim no denomination.. as they all have "by laws" or add things you have to agree with.. I don't agree with that.. if you have laws not covered in the bible you are being overly legalistic is the term. I follow the bible 9as best I can) and thus claim to only be able to answer questions based on that... not on the exact answers some preiest may give...

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Chrales Darwin- “ to suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.

A few points:

He wasn't perfect enough to NOT create a rebellious angel. And your man is also claimed to be God, so...

Meh, I'm over it all. Whenver I get started with the whole christianity subject, I get really stressed out and upset because christians convince themselves they are so right that it deters so many people. I'm over it.

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"Servants of the fallen
Fight to pave the way
For their savior's calling
On this wicked day.

Through a veil of madness
With a vicious blade
One man rises up
Standing in their way

It's time for your reckoning"

Dream Theater - "In The Presence Of Enemies - Part II"

for the record I don't claim to be So right... i am wiwlling and do listen to all you have to say and take it all into account... I really do learn a lot from you...and jesus was fully man..and gave up some of his godly knowledge to be so...( he wasn't able to tell when the end times would come because he released that godly knowledge to come to earth) I really have no reason why god would create Lucifer knowing he would rebell and he did know it. I am sure if I were God I would be able to see the whole of the picture...but alas I am not God... so I cannot understand him. I feel that is an okay statment... He is God and so beyond me that I can barely grasp the things he has given me... If you admit he exists you can not say you can know what he thinks or means when he does something. He is so awesome to me that I can only try to understand as much as possible. and learn from others who may understand differnt sides of things... like you cthuluhu you teach me much and I really do like knowing your side and view on things... I never feel as if I am argueing with as much as exchangeing inormation with you

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Chrales Darwin- “ to suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.